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		<title>By: Yegwa</title>
		<link>http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=1468&#038;cpage=1#comment-2737</link>
		<dc:creator>Yegwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bah, this is why I shouldn&#039;t post when I am tired. Just skimmed over what you wrote at that part and kind of merged it with what others said online. Also, I should make an actual correction. It is bayonetta&#039;s character designer that&#039;s female not the modeller.

Again apologies for the nonsense text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bah, this is why I shouldn&#8217;t post when I am tired. Just skimmed over what you wrote at that part and kind of merged it with what others said online. Also, I should make an actual correction. It is bayonetta&#8217;s character designer that&#8217;s female not the modeller.</p>
<p>Again apologies for the nonsense text.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunthera1</title>
		<link>http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=1468&#038;cpage=1#comment-2727</link>
		<dc:creator>Gunthera1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Yegwa:&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
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 I would like to make a small correction in your article though, Byonetta’s modeller is a woman not a man. The person you quoted is the game director – Hideki Kamiya. 
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I did not quote Hideki Kamiya in my piece at all. I said &quot;The emphasis on her rear should not be surprising as the modeler for the character said: “I really wanted to get Bayonetta’s backside perfect. I guess I am into that sort of thing…”&quot;
If you click on the link in that section of the post it takes you to a blog post which starts with &quot;I am Kenichiro “Yoshi” Yoshimura, the modeler for Bayonetta.. &quot; I also did not mention a gender for that individual since I was unsure if it was a male or a female. 

So what exactly are you correcting?</description>
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<strong><em>Yegwa:</em></strong><br />
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 I would like to make a small correction in your article though, Byonetta’s modeller is a woman not a man. The person you quoted is the game director – Hideki Kamiya.
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<p>I did not quote Hideki Kamiya in my piece at all. I said &#8220;The emphasis on her rear should not be surprising as the modeler for the character said: “I really wanted to get Bayonetta’s backside perfect. I guess I am into that sort of thing…”&#8221;<br />
If you click on the link in that section of the post it takes you to a blog post which starts with &#8220;I am Kenichiro “Yoshi” Yoshimura, the modeler for Bayonetta.. &#8221; I also did not mention a gender for that individual since I was unsure if it was a male or a female. </p>
<p>So what exactly are you correcting?</p>
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		<title>By: Yegwa</title>
		<link>http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=1468&#038;cpage=1#comment-2708</link>
		<dc:creator>Yegwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 08:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s fascinating the amount of disgust that Bayonetta as a game has generated online.

I would like to make a small correction in your article though, Byonetta&#039;s modeller is a woman not a man. The person you quoted is the game director - Hideki Kamiya. He did have final say into the design of the character, but at the end of the day, the modeller and character designer did all the work for Bayonetta and her Umbra witch counterpart Jeanne (the Virgil to Bayonetta&#039;s Dante).

On the subject of the torture themes and skimpy outfits etc. in my own playthrough of the game I felt that it was done with tongue firmly in cheek as most of the sequences are quite ridiculous. Having said that, this is indeed a game made by men and I am a heterosexual guy so I guess maybe it wouldn&#039;t offend me.

I do think that as a character, she does fit the bill for what she is supposed to - sadistic, sexual, and to my mind piss-taking. Bayonetta struts her stuff for her own amusement. She&#039;s fighting angels who would be expected to be prudish and so comes out all &#039;sex blazing&#039; and BDSM as if to mock their very existence.

Later on in the game the character does show a bit more depth.

I do think that it is the best game of its type with a huge depth of interplay in its systems, it&#039;s just a shame that so many people have been put off by its presentation, especially when it was done with what I have gathered to be a smirk throughout.

To me offensive is Dante&#039;s Inferno not this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s fascinating the amount of disgust that Bayonetta as a game has generated online.</p>
<p>I would like to make a small correction in your article though, Byonetta&#8217;s modeller is a woman not a man. The person you quoted is the game director &#8211; Hideki Kamiya. He did have final say into the design of the character, but at the end of the day, the modeller and character designer did all the work for Bayonetta and her Umbra witch counterpart Jeanne (the Virgil to Bayonetta&#8217;s Dante).</p>
<p>On the subject of the torture themes and skimpy outfits etc. in my own playthrough of the game I felt that it was done with tongue firmly in cheek as most of the sequences are quite ridiculous. Having said that, this is indeed a game made by men and I am a heterosexual guy so I guess maybe it wouldn&#8217;t offend me.</p>
<p>I do think that as a character, she does fit the bill for what she is supposed to &#8211; sadistic, sexual, and to my mind piss-taking. Bayonetta struts her stuff for her own amusement. She&#8217;s fighting angels who would be expected to be prudish and so comes out all &#8216;sex blazing&#8217; and BDSM as if to mock their very existence.</p>
<p>Later on in the game the character does show a bit more depth.</p>
<p>I do think that it is the best game of its type with a huge depth of interplay in its systems, it&#8217;s just a shame that so many people have been put off by its presentation, especially when it was done with what I have gathered to be a smirk throughout.</p>
<p>To me offensive is Dante&#8217;s Inferno not this.</p>
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		<title>By: Maverynthia</title>
		<link>http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=1468&#038;cpage=1#comment-2644</link>
		<dc:creator>Maverynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also think what&#039;s important as well is how the game was consumed by the target audience it targeted. I remember Kotaku having a TON of articles on Bayonetta with nothing more than showing off the T&amp;A. It was noticed. So I immediately tossed this game into the exploitation bin and moved on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think what&#8217;s important as well is how the game was consumed by the target audience it targeted. I remember Kotaku having a TON of articles on Bayonetta with nothing more than showing off the T&amp;A. It was noticed. So I immediately tossed this game into the exploitation bin and moved on.</p>
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		<title>By: Jargo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jargo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked Bayonetta for its very addictive game play.

At first i thought of the character a the standard &quot;tough oversexed women&quot; fetish witch are not so really different from characters like dragon ages Morrigan, mass effect 2 or good old Lara Croft. 

Off course Bayonetta with all the stripper and bondage moves is totally over the top. But most of the time i tried too ignored this.

But I came to a point where the game really disgusted me. There are some BDSM themed finishing moves where you execute the asexual &quot;angels&quot; very vivid. This is in strange sense more funny then offensive.

But later you encounter the overfeminine &quot;Joy&quot; angels who are executed in a &quot;rape like&quot; mini cutscene.

(At the end of the video around 1.45)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NaUVRwAky4

What are you thoughts on that? 
For me this really crossed the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked Bayonetta for its very addictive game play.</p>
<p>At first i thought of the character a the standard &#8220;tough oversexed women&#8221; fetish witch are not so really different from characters like dragon ages Morrigan, mass effect 2 or good old Lara Croft. </p>
<p>Off course Bayonetta with all the stripper and bondage moves is totally over the top. But most of the time i tried too ignored this.</p>
<p>But I came to a point where the game really disgusted me. There are some BDSM themed finishing moves where you execute the asexual &#8220;angels&#8221; very vivid. This is in strange sense more funny then offensive.</p>
<p>But later you encounter the overfeminine &#8220;Joy&#8221; angels who are executed in a &#8220;rape like&#8221; mini cutscene.</p>
<p>(At the end of the video around 1.45)<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NaUVRwAky4" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NaUVRwAky4&amp;referer=');">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NaUVRwAky4</a></p>
<p>What are you thoughts on that?<br />
For me this really crossed the line.</p>
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		<title>By: Denis Farr</title>
		<link>http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=1468&#038;cpage=1#comment-2557</link>
		<dc:creator>Denis Farr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 05:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It only gets worse. In an attempt to outdo themselves, they keep upping the ante here. At one point she has to progress in puzzles by twirling around pole objects like a stripper (which is one way she can use polearms as a weapon as well). It&#039;s as if they tried to think up every sexual way to exploit her and proceeded to do so. It was a game whose design I found outdated, and whose theme I found abhorrent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It only gets worse. In an attempt to outdo themselves, they keep upping the ante here. At one point she has to progress in puzzles by twirling around pole objects like a stripper (which is one way she can use polearms as a weapon as well). It&#8217;s as if they tried to think up every sexual way to exploit her and proceeded to do so. It was a game whose design I found outdated, and whose theme I found abhorrent.</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonetta: Dragging Angels To Hell &#124; Border House</title>
		<link>http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=1468&#038;cpage=1#comment-2556</link>
		<dc:creator>Bayonetta: Dragging Angels To Hell &#124; Border House</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 05:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] accident that this is camp, but it is presented as such from the beginning. As Gunthera1&#8217;s post with her initial impressions illustrates, she knew from the very beginning what she was facing, and that was what put her off [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] accident that this is camp, but it is presented as such from the beginning. As Gunthera1&#8217;s post with her initial impressions illustrates, she knew from the very beginning what she was facing, and that was what put her off [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bakka</title>
		<link>http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=1468&#038;cpage=1#comment-2511</link>
		<dc:creator>Bakka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gunthera1 this is a great description of camp. I know this is not an anti-oppression 101 blog, but maybe when great definitions/explanations like these appear in comments or posts we could also collect them under the &quot;helpful resources&quot; section of the blog? It would be great if this explanation of camp did not become lost after the post moves down the archives in a few weeks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gunthera1 this is a great description of camp. I know this is not an anti-oppression 101 blog, but maybe when great definitions/explanations like these appear in comments or posts we could also collect them under the &#8220;helpful resources&#8221; section of the blog? It would be great if this explanation of camp did not become lost after the post moves down the archives in a few weeks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: WhineAboutGames</title>
		<link>http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=1468&#038;cpage=1#comment-2486</link>
		<dc:creator>WhineAboutGames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t tell you what *I* mean by it because as I said, I have not played the game! I am reporting what I&#039;ve heard from others, I can&#039;t go too deeply into trying to guess what their motivations are. :) (I mean, I could make some guesses, but I could be way wrong.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t tell you what *I* mean by it because as I said, I have not played the game! I am reporting what I&#8217;ve heard from others, I can&#8217;t go too deeply into trying to guess what their motivations are. <img src='http://borderhouseblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  (I mean, I could make some guesses, but I could be way wrong.)</p>
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		<title>By: Gunthera1</title>
		<link>http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=1468&#038;cpage=1#comment-2485</link>
		<dc:creator>Gunthera1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it felt crass and embarrassing. It was good to have friends there with me that were mocking it. Otherwise I am not sure I would have made it as far (30 minutes is now far?) as I did. It really turned me off. I am NOT the target demographic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it felt crass and embarrassing. It was good to have friends there with me that were mocking it. Otherwise I am not sure I would have made it as far (30 minutes is now far?) as I did. It really turned me off. I am NOT the target demographic.</p>
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